007: Jack Has Crippling Depression


From the Korea with an aversion to mental health treatment despite having one of the highest suicide rates in the world and from the city where Paul Pascal has crippling depression, this is MēMē Call. In this episode, Paul and Wayne bring Wayne’s friend, Steve, to the show to compare and contrast a few types of depression and to offer some suggestions for coping with and mitigating the symptoms of depression.  Fair warning: Steve asked to remain anonymous; so, he uses an alias and has his voice masked.

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Chit Chat (01:10)

Wayne can better empathize with Paul now.

Paul is grateful for Rick and Morty (and a portal gun).

Wayne is not so excited about The Last Jedi. Paul and Wayne talk about The Empire Strikes Back.

Paul has a theory about Noah’s Ark, Yahweh, and Timelords.

They wrap up the segment by comparing the Death Star to Texas (in size; as far as evil power Texas will always win).

Relatively Recent News (09:50)

The Man Brave Enough to Talk about His Struggle with Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) (14:10)

Steve is an ex-pat living and working a prominent job in Korea.  What’s important to know about him for this episode is that he has SAD.

Paul’s Meme (16:12)

I’ve probably been dealing with depression and anxiety since I was in my teens.


I have general depression.

The pills are not a panacea.

I don’t find myself anymore in the place I was a couple of years ago.

The depression causes you to withdraw from people when being around people is probably something you need.

Everybody on this episode is suffering from or has suffered from some sort of depression.

There are other people out there going through the same things they are, and help is available to them.

That song is actually the cure for depression.  I’m actually good, guys. I’ve gotta leave now. I’m all better!

Wayne’s Meme (22:49)

The Episode 5 ordeal has gifted me with some severe situational depression.

You’re on your way, Paul.

Here’s what it feels like to have situational depression…

I shove food down my throat.

Alcohol always went down just fine.

My Circadian Rhythm is way off.

It’s just like this pressure.

Do you ever feel like when you drink coffee it exacerbates some of these symptoms?

It re-doubles the dark efforts of my mind.

I don’t experience extreme highs and lows in a day; I experience extreme highs and lows in a year.

All it took was a friend handing me a little happiness, and I was almost in a manic state.

That’s one of the ways I realized I have a biological problem that probably needs medicated.

It’s up to me mentally to decide how to deal with things.

I’m an exercise fiend.

I have no fucking appetite.

I have a really strong social structure, and I’m thankful for that.

Stepping on one stone at a time to cross the raging river.

Steve’s Meme (32:04)

I brought a big plate of SAD.

Background: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/seasonal-affective-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20364651

Seasonal Depression is something that affects a lot of people.

Your job is to try to put on a brave face and try to make it work.

Your mind can transform beautiful things around you into your own personal hell.

There have been a lot of times when I feel like I’m trapped in my mind.

Sometimes, you get this sense of security of if I do these things I’m not going to have this problem.

You’ve gotta just get it out there. You’ve gotta make it a real thing.

Short of a lobotomy, there’s no cure.

Talking about kind of reinforces the hell your creating in your own mind.

You’re the one that can see problems that nobody else can.

You get exhausted.

There have been times when someone noticing I was down brought me down more.

It kind of shows you the catch-22 our friends and family have.

I was afraid of becoming zombified.

It sounds to me like [the medication] is more of a handrail for you.

[The medication] could have some severe negative effects.

It is very important that if you go the route of medication that you have support.

That fear of taking medication, unfortunately, kept me from having something that really works for me now.

One of the key drivers is deficiencies in vitamin D.

Really, before you do anything, do everything you can to get sleep.

I set up a regular appointment with the therapist, and I go no matter how I’m feeling.

If you’re out there and you’re experiencing this, there are things you can do to give yourself a shot.

You can try.

We want to thank Steve for joining us on this episode.  We also want to thank our audience.

As always, we want to thank the Blue Tits.

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